Comments on: للرجال فقط http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/ شذرات من هذيان فراشة Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:36:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Butterfly http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-536 Butterfly Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:31:56 +0000 http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-536 Ehsan Thank you for the link and for the interesting post. Ehsan

Thank you for the link and for the interesting post.

]]> By: Butterfly http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-535 Butterfly Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:30:33 +0000 http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-535 الشيخ I got your point. But again if a woman wears a proper hijab and cover her body from head to toe does this mean that she is a decent woman and a good Muslim? Are all women wearing hijab angels? Why we continue to judge people by their appearances? Is Islam requested us to do so? The same idea is applicable to men. We tend to think that men with long beards and short thobs are more religious than the others. Its not the appearance only, some people think that a “Mulla” or “Shaikh” will never lie or commit a sin and they will listen to their advices and instructions with open ears even if they don’t hold any kind of qualifications in “Sharia’a” or “Figh”. Why? Because they know better or they are more close to God! الشيخ
I got your point. But again if a woman wears a proper hijab and cover her body from head to toe does this mean that she is a decent woman and a good Muslim? Are all women wearing hijab angels?

Why we continue to judge people by their appearances? Is Islam requested us to do so?

The same idea is applicable to men. We tend to think that men with long beards and short thobs are more religious than the others. Its not the appearance only, some people think that a “Mulla” or “Shaikh” will never lie or commit a sin and they will listen to their advices and instructions with open ears even if they don’t hold any kind of qualifications in “Sharia’a” or “Figh”. Why? Because they know better or they are more close to God!

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Bahrain: Wearing Hijab Part-Time http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-518 Global Voices Online » Bahrain: Wearing Hijab Part-Time Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:47:40 +0000 http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-518 [...] Butterfly tells us about an encounter with a colleague outside of the workplace: قبل عدة ايام وفي أحد المجمعات التجارية أستوقفتني فتاة لم تكن ملامحها غريبة عني .. لوهلة شككت ان تكون زميلة لي في العمل ولكن كان هناك فارق كبير في المظهر بين هذة وتلك، فزميلتي منذ ان عرفتها وهي محجبة ولم أرها يوما بملابس قصيرة او ضيقة كما انها لا تضع اى من مساحيق التجميل على وجهها Several days ago in one of the malls a girl stopped me, and her features seemed familiar…For a moment I thought it might be a colleague from work, but there was a big difference in the appearance of the two. My colleague, ever since I have known her, wears hijab (headscarf), and I have never seen her wearing short or tight clothes, just as she doesn’t wear any makeup on her face. حينما مدت يدها لتسلم على تيقنت ان ظني كان في محله وبأنها هي ذاتها زميلتي التي أعرف. سألتها عن السبب في التحول الكبير في المظهر لتفاجئني بأنها لم تكن يوما محجبة وانها ترتدى الحجاب فقط اثناء دوام العمل الرسمي اما عدا ذلك فهذه هي طريقة لبسها! لماذا هذة الازدواجية؟ أليس الرجال في كل مكان هم نفس الرجال؟ When she put out her hand to greet me I knew for certain my suspicion was correct, and she was the same colleague that I know. I asked her about the reason for the big transformation in her appearance which had surprised me. She said she didn’t always wear hijab, and only wore it during official work hours, and this was her normal way of dressing. Why this double life? Aren’t men the same wherever they are? أجابت: نعم مع اختلاف بسيط، انني اتعامل مع هؤلاء الرجال ثمان ساعات متواصلة اثناء الدوام اما خارجه وايا كان مكاني فأنا خارج هذه الدائرة المغلقة من المراقبة اليومية .. من النظرات المزعجة التي تلاحقني. أرتدى الحجاب اثناء الدوام لان الرجال عادة ما يكونون أكثر جرأة في الحديث مع غير المحجبات، لان هذا الغطاء الذي اضعه على رأسى يضع حدا فاصلا بيني وبين بعض من لا يحترمون المراة ولايحسنون التعامل معها الا حينما تكون محجبة She answered, ‘Yes, with one small difference. I deal with those men for eight continuous hours during the working day, but outside, wherever I am, I am away from this closed circle of daily monitoring, from the annoying looks that follow me. I wear hijab during office hours because men usually talk more daringly to women without the hijab. This covering that I put on my head puts a clear boundary between me and those who do not respect women and do not behave well towards them unless they are wearing hijab.’ [...] [...] Butterfly tells us about an encounter with a colleague outside of the workplace: قبل عدة ايام وفي أحد المجمعات التجارية أستوقفتني فتاة لم تكن ملامحها غريبة عني .. لوهلة شككت ان تكون زميلة لي في العمل ولكن كان هناك فارق كبير في المظهر بين هذة وتلك، فزميلتي منذ ان عرفتها وهي محجبة ولم أرها يوما بملابس قصيرة او ضيقة كما انها لا تضع اى من مساحيق التجميل على وجهها Several days ago in one of the malls a girl stopped me, and her features seemed familiar…For a moment I thought it might be a colleague from work, but there was a big difference in the appearance of the two. My colleague, ever since I have known her, wears hijab (headscarf), and I have never seen her wearing short or tight clothes, just as she doesn’t wear any makeup on her face. حينما مدت يدها لتسلم على تيقنت ان ظني كان في محله وبأنها هي ذاتها زميلتي التي أعرف. سألتها عن السبب في التحول الكبير في المظهر لتفاجئني بأنها لم تكن يوما محجبة وانها ترتدى الحجاب فقط اثناء دوام العمل الرسمي اما عدا ذلك فهذه هي طريقة لبسها! لماذا هذة الازدواجية؟ أليس الرجال في كل مكان هم نفس الرجال؟ When she put out her hand to greet me I knew for certain my suspicion was correct, and she was the same colleague that I know. I asked her about the reason for the big transformation in her appearance which had surprised me. She said she didn’t always wear hijab, and only wore it during official work hours, and this was her normal way of dressing. Why this double life? Aren’t men the same wherever they are? أجابت: نعم مع اختلاف بسيط، انني اتعامل مع هؤلاء الرجال ثمان ساعات متواصلة اثناء الدوام اما خارجه وايا كان مكاني فأنا خارج هذه الدائرة المغلقة من المراقبة اليومية .. من النظرات المزعجة التي تلاحقني. أرتدى الحجاب اثناء الدوام لان الرجال عادة ما يكونون أكثر جرأة في الحديث مع غير المحجبات، لان هذا الغطاء الذي اضعه على رأسى يضع حدا فاصلا بيني وبين بعض من لا يحترمون المراة ولايحسنون التعامل معها الا حينما تكون محجبة She answered, ‘Yes, with one small difference. I deal with those men for eight continuous hours during the working day, but outside, wherever I am, I am away from this closed circle of daily monitoring, from the annoying looks that follow me. I wear hijab during office hours because men usually talk more daringly to women without the hijab. This covering that I put on my head puts a clear boundary between me and those who do not respect women and do not behave well towards them unless they are wearing hijab.’ [...]

]]> By: الشيخ http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-513 الشيخ Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:40:46 +0000 http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-513 ok ok ok guys. seems you missunderstood what I was saying. I didn't mean to say that mutahajibat are better than none mutahajibat and it was the fault of non mutahjibat to recieve bad treatment. To put some clear points to the arugments. When I refer to Hijab I dont mean the head scarf only. A hijab for me means the islamic head scarf which implies that the woman who wears it wont wear tight jeans, sexy make-up etc. In reality mutajibat does recieve more respect (respect here refers to the limits that a man sees when approaching the woman) everywhere and its a fact that I can't deny. A fact is different than an opinion. And my opinion is that any woman who wears hijab or not should recieve the same respect. I said the article was sexist (to some extent) becuase I dont personaly like to blame one gender for anything. What happens in any community is the result of mature fault of both genders. If a woman for example is badly treated by a man, I cant only blame the man for being empty-headed. The fault could be her too becuase she might have been wearing sex-invitation cloths or walking in the wrong street. ok ok ok guys. seems you missunderstood what I was saying. I didn’t mean to say that mutahajibat are better than none mutahajibat and it was the fault of non mutahjibat to recieve bad treatment.

To put some clear points to the arugments. When I refer to Hijab I dont mean the head scarf only. A hijab for me means the islamic head scarf which implies that the woman who wears it wont wear tight jeans, sexy make-up etc.

In reality mutajibat does recieve more respect (respect here refers to the limits that a man sees when approaching the woman) everywhere and its a fact that I can’t deny. A fact is different than an opinion. And my opinion is that any woman who wears hijab or not should recieve the same respect.

I said the article was sexist (to some extent) becuase I dont personaly like to blame one gender for anything. What happens in any community is the result of mature fault of both genders. If a woman for example is badly treated by a man, I cant only blame the man for being empty-headed. The fault could be her too becuase she might have been wearing sex-invitation cloths or walking in the wrong street.

]]> By: bala-wala-shi http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-488 bala-wala-shi Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:44:14 +0000 http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-488 to shaikh: if men are قوامون and are asked to curb their urges in many things (like in fasting, or resisting temptation of drinking, or prostitution, or killing, or bribe, and the list continues) why can't they treat women with respect and not like sexual objects weather those women are wearing a head scarf or not? I know many muhajabat who wear super-tight cloths, very sexy make-up and hyper sexy vioce on the phone.. isn't the stuffing that matters more than the appearance. I didn't think that butterlfy's article was sexit at all. She was describing what women go through for reasons that boil down to lack of manners and thinking in the part of many men. How to treat another person respectfully is not a matter that is restricted to islam or sexist arguments.. it's a matter of civility and appreciation of other people's humanity and boundaries. to shaikh: if men are قوامون and are asked to curb their urges in many things (like in fasting, or resisting temptation of drinking, or prostitution, or killing, or bribe, and the list continues) why can’t they treat women with respect and not like sexual objects weather those women are wearing a head scarf or not? I know many muhajabat who wear super-tight cloths, very sexy make-up and hyper sexy vioce on the phone.. isn’t the stuffing that matters more than the appearance. I didn’t think that butterlfy’s article was sexit at all. She was describing what women go through for reasons that boil down to lack of manners and thinking in the part of many men. How to treat another person respectfully is not a matter that is restricted to islam or sexist arguments.. it’s a matter of civility and appreciation of other people’s humanity and boundaries.

]]> By: Ehsan http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-483 Ehsan Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:57:03 +0000 http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-483 سلام مرة ثانية,, كتبت موضوع عن المرأة ولبساها في بلوغي الخاصة إذا يحب اي احد يقرأه على: http://ehsanbros.blogspot.com/2007/07/blog-post_05.html سلام مرة ثانية,,
كتبت موضوع عن المرأة ولبساها في بلوغي الخاصة إذا يحب اي احد يقرأه على:
http://ehsanbros.blogspot.com/2007/07/blog-post_05.html

]]> By: الشيخ http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-479 الشيخ Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:59:35 +0000 http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-479 عند قرائتي لردك الأخير طرأت في فكري فكره ان الله سبحانه وتعالى قد اوصى بالحجاب لانه يعرف ان الانسان سيكن احترام اكثر للمتحجبه من الغير متحجبه تربيبت في عائله تختلط فيها الافكار فلدينا المتحجبه والغير متحجبه. الكل متساوي في العائله ونحترم الكل. ومسامحه على الازعاج :) عند قرائتي لردك الأخير طرأت في فكري فكره ان الله سبحانه وتعالى قد اوصى بالحجاب لانه يعرف ان الانسان سيكن احترام اكثر للمتحجبه من الغير متحجبه

تربيبت في عائله تختلط فيها الافكار فلدينا المتحجبه والغير متحجبه. الكل متساوي في العائله ونحترم الكل.

ومسامحه على الازعاج :)

]]> By: Butterfly http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-477 Butterfly Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:43:05 +0000 http://butterflybahrain.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/%d9%84%d9%84%d8%b1%d8%ac%d8%a7%d9%84-%d9%81%d9%82%d8%b7/#comment-477 ليس لدى اعتراض على التحفظ واحترام المرأة المحجبة ولكن الاعتراض على وضع المحجبة في خانة المرأة التي تستحق الاحترام ووضع الغير محجبة في خانة معاكسة. ليس لدى اعتراض على التحفظ واحترام المرأة المحجبة ولكن الاعتراض على وضع المحجبة في خانة المرأة التي تستحق الاحترام ووضع الغير محجبة في خانة معاكسة.

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